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My personal experience tells me that men are less culturally attuned to noticing perfumes and analysing them apart from the perfumisto-field, so your comment makes perfect sense to me. And indeed in order to notice someone's perfume one needs to be close, and to be close in the first place one would need to be attracted by something else, be it sensory or not. E, you've been reading my thoughts!
It all started with the same worry you mentioned - fake bode from hair to toe, but then suddenly the list went on endlessly through fake diamonds, nutrition etc, and I tried to find common basis under it - it's too overwhelming, there must be smth in common. No success so far, but I keep trying. Maybe postmodernists have the answers, but I still can't find time for them There's also a poem of Maurice Rollinat "Le monstre" about it, and - nicely - it was actually a part of his book entitled "Les Nevroses" ;-.
Looks like they are very matter-of-fact about their 'love potion'. If not, they should be ashamed to sell a cut glass as a diamond! You are so right, we do choose to support the image anyway and strive to do so, but often our loved ones choose to stick to their idea of us even if we don't behave up to it, and that strikes me more. I think there's a bit of fear on both sides and definitely in me to break the reflection and to force light on some sides of personality that are muted in it.
But then, the image may be loveful, forgiving, and, yes, flattering, and I truly believe this attitude should be appreciated, not taken for granted. Sometimes the gap in perceptions stings, but love behind it eases the pain, doesn't it? Of course, things are different when the reflection is humiliating or just so far from reality that the distance can ruin everyting On the art topic there are some excellent books out there that I'd like to recommend, such as several by Ellen Dissanayake like Art and Intimacy and also Denis Dutton's recent The Art Instinct.
They both look at the origins of art in both ancient cultures and in our human psychological needs and social structures e. Larry Shiner's book The Invention of Art is another great one that talks about how the whole idea of art being "pure" with only aesthetic values, or art-for-art's sake , developed only in the late 18th century. About scent and sexual attraction, despite what one commentator wrote above, there are a lot of studies that indicate smell really IS a big part of sexual attraction, especially for women.
It's much more important than visual cues, actually and surprisingly given our emphasis on visual appearance these days and given all the ridiculous studies of how men evaluate potential mates on their waist-to-hips ratios. But many of the relevant smells are just basic body smells sweat! I personally think that it would be quite pleasant to smell like a pumpkin pie, except I would then go around feeling hungry all day.
This is a good article on these topics and has more information that somewhat debunks the Chicago research study and the inferences being drawn from it. Wow, lots to say here on this topic! All I'm gonna say is, lavender and pumpkin pie sounds nasty.
And if I think I smell nasty, I don't care how much penile blood flow is going on, I'm not going to wear the darn perfume much less get laid wearing it. This is more sexist and more damaging than saying bluntly All women are stupid. I've had enough shit in my life caused by the societal pressure requiring that girls be pretty, sit quietly in the corner because it's unfeminine to have an opinion, lest one different from the others, and express it, that girls be thin and cute because that one is feminine, but oh-my-god not sporty or muscular, muscles and any other sign of physical strength is unfeminine again, climbing the trees is allowed only before secondary sex characteristics start to develop I don't exist to increase anyone's penile blood flow and buying a fragrance I quite likely wouldn't like?
No damn freaking way. For various reasons - to try something people are talking about or because I tried it in the department store. I really really love several of them and oddly enough, most so those that are described as suitable for big muscular guys that eat rare steaks etc. Such as Yatagan. If I had to choose one fragrance for the rest of my lifetime, it would be Basala - it's made almost perfectly for my innermost self, that one you won't see because, well, it's my innermost self.
It raises emotions of a sort people don't expect in me. And, Basala is also generally described as a scent for tough guys, although more intelligent ones than those that go for Yatagan.
The advertising missed me, I got to know it via a pretty red tester bottle in a department store and I was high on it for two days.
The PR people can bite their penises with increased blood flow, if they wish, but I don't care a damn, I care about my nose. Joe, it's certainly very true "the snake oil of our age" M, it sounds like a worthy cause to me, because hey, there IS something common behind this! I hope you shape it into something concrete. The whole brainwash aspect of it reminds me of the "They Live" film with its hidden messages. Le Monstre seems like a pre-empting of the freak-show of fakeness of today.
Re: the marketing behind this, no, I don't think they market it as art, but if we take the opinion that perfumery is an art, then some artistic merit should appply in the creation process anyway. This Greek song expresses it well. The lyrics being: "It's been days now that I haven't told you 'love you', just two words.
My love, how will you stand me, I am a strange child and dark. It's been days now that I haven't seen you and you don't know if I've missed you. And I, having loved only the idea of you And some verse that resembles you. I'll turn off the lights And all that I haven't given to you I'll give you in a caress And then I'll betray you again in my mind's black seabed.
Calypso, thanks for the recs! Indeed art for art's sake is a recent-comer in the grander scheme of things. I wonder however how the modern world sees art for art's sake, because so often everything is taking a very hard currency shade in our western culture.
Certainly smell is a big part of attraction, but what I think people meant is that it plays a part as a secondary in sequence segment, after being induced by some other stimulus into approaching the other person to be able to smell them. And sadly, no matter how gorgeous how someone might smell, their appearence or their eluquence and personality takes usually a primary part in the game of mating.
At least this has been my experience men tending to like whatever on you as long as they like you. I think Rachel Herz has quoted the study in her book as well.
And thanks for the pheromone link! To my knowledge as per above it hasn't even been conclusively proven that humans respond to pheromones. T, thanks for being to the bull's eye. If we detest something, then no matter how effective it might be it has already lost points. Liisa, those preceptions dating no doubt from Victorian days when corseted ladies lost their breath and fainted at the merest thing are becoming increasingly obscolete.
The fakeness however is sustained. And your points and rant resonates with many I bet. Thanks for the passionate endorsement of Basala; it's always fascinating to hear of people passionate of a scent and it's wonderfully stimulating to see it through your eyes. Type your comment in the box, choose the Profile option you prefer from the drop down menu, below text box Anonymous is fine too! And you're set!
He measured penile blood flow in men in response to particular smells, and found the most effective combined the scents of lavender and pumpkin pie. The press material for Eau Flirt describes its scent as a blend including "sweet and fruity top notes, floral and spicy middle notes, woods and musk bottom notes, combined with vanilla and pumpkin essences"--sort of the perfume version of pumpkin pie and lavender.
Ramani calls it "the sweet smell of success. It's been done. But the real question is : Is perfume merely an aspirational thing that like the proper shade of blond or the right size implants should make us conform to a "predigested" ideal of how we should be perceived? Young, attractive, successful, whatever If it is truly a work of art, shouldn't it hold only aesthetic values and not be dumped down to pragmatic goals? This is a major discussion and I am inviting you to share your views in the comments.
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